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Post by pcups on Nov 13, 2006 22:59:26 GMT -4
Play me 1v1 and ill show you how a big boy plays ages. Ask D who i already played against.
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Post by boorules60 on Nov 13, 2006 23:09:49 GMT -4
Oh no PCups... don't pull one of your two strategies on me by rushing (probably with cavalry if I'm the Russians) or FFing (With Lancers Pikes Skirms and Cannons)! Lord help me! If the game lasts between 8 and 20 minutes, you will win. If it lasts less than that (I hit you at 5:30 and you're not prepared) or more than that (because you can't stop my orp raids and booming economy) I will win. Sound about right?
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Post by d on Nov 14, 2006 7:52:09 GMT -4
The Turks suck at 1v1. Natives, german, french, spanish,english, and russian civs all beat them. However, 2v2 is a different story. With a little slingshot and a little food, they rule. I also need to look at a fishing boom again.
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Post by pcups on Nov 14, 2006 18:38:17 GMT -4
turks suck 1v1? look at the stats, 60% of all games on 1v1 are played with the ottomans. They are actually the best civ in 1v1 or one of them. Why doyou think i hate the ottomans so much? its because i play against them all the time
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Post by boorules60 on Nov 14, 2006 19:55:47 GMT -4
I could see where D might have trouble beating the Russians, Sioux, Germans, and French... but D, you can pound the other two native civs (we just did!) because they are so heavily infantry-based, and you are the BEST suited civ for beating be British because of their poor turtle, and weak units for countering the bombard/jan combo in the late game because they don't have skirms or good enough cavalry. And most Spanish players go all out with infantry too, and your only weakness to them is the Lancers, but no civ is really good at taking them on and their middle economy is as slow as or slower than yours! Please...
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Post by pcups on Nov 14, 2006 20:21:20 GMT -4
i dont even build lancers (send 5) to beat ottomans. Skirms and pikes are better suited. Dont give me any shit about pikemen either! Its how i beat lt colonels and majors.
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Post by boorules60 on Nov 14, 2006 22:39:08 GMT -4
Why wouldn't you? The Lancers are ok against jans... great against bombards... decent at raiding and siege... and faster than most ottoman units can deal with. Won't the pikes just get massacred against the jans and bombards since they lose to both of those units per pop and cost?
And remember Patrick... this isn't the first slingshot ever... I slingshotted you about 2000 gold in 10 minutes to make our original mercenary "rush" work when I played French. You seemed quite found of it then. In the meantime, I think we should try some more 2v2 matches first pairing me and Pat, then D, then T just to see how the tide can turn!
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Post by boorules60 on Nov 14, 2006 22:40:45 GMT -4
And there is no "big boy" about a 1v1 player... there are three distinct ways to play and perfect this game (1v1, Team, and Treaty) none of which make you a better player than another cuz they all require unique strategies.
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Post by pcups on Nov 14, 2006 23:16:53 GMT -4
I know, the big boy statement was just in response to your 2v2 offer. You offer me to play in where you play the most which is 2v2 which you are better at and then i asked you play 1v1 with i am better at. Dont get me started on nr games... And answer to your pikmen question. I use pikemen for 2 reasons. Actually 3. They are cheap, can destroy buildins and can kill spahi. Usually all i do is set my pikemen on the TC while the skirms/lancers kill everything. Its gotta be pretty annoying to an ottoman. Lose your TC and kill all the skirms and BE WAY BEHIND or kill all the pikes and leave the skirms still behind. I mean everyone knows that you keep building units and just set the rally point in their town. Pikemen move fast and build fast so hey, what the hell. I usually send the 12 pikes instead of the 2 cannons. Although i think the cannons might be better in these situations there is a bad feeling about cannons so people kill those first and not the pikemen
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Post by pcups on Nov 14, 2006 23:17:42 GMT -4
Oh and another reason i said big boy is because pretty much all the best players play 1v1. Those are the people that just play all day.
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Post by boorules60 on Nov 15, 2006 1:41:27 GMT -4
Yeah, I'll give you that. The real way to beat the Ottomans is by attacking them from a bunch of angles and avoiding sending your units into a deathtrap (aka: spahi, jans, and bombards). Instant unit building is quite helpful for this. The other way to beat them (if they are constantly attack you and on your ass) is to counter attack and try to ruin their economy before they can ruin yours. Because their units are so slow and take such a long time to rebuild, this often gives you a slight edge. But in either case, experienced Otto players know this and can come down on you pretty hard and there's really no good cost effective way to stop it.
I also think the 1v1 players have higher ranking mostly because of the sheer number of games they play. The games themselves are often decided faster because there is only one person to kill, and they can find games faster with quick search and little wait time. Most 1v1 players end up being higher ranked because of this but tend not to experience as much of each individual game as a team player... so it ends up being pretty comparable. What I don't like about 1v1 is most of the time, it's a big rock paper scissors game... and if I guess right, I win.
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Post by d on Nov 15, 2006 20:11:20 GMT -4
I went to the EOA III player stat site to see what civs the big boys are playing. Spanish and Soiux are the big civs. Some Aztecs, Turks and French. Even a Dutch. Some of these guys have played 100's of games. Man - and I thought we needed to get a life.
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Post by pcups on Nov 15, 2006 20:23:21 GMT -4
Yea we pale in comparison to those guys
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Post by boorules60 on Nov 16, 2006 1:17:38 GMT -4
I just wonder HOW they get to be that good... amazing micro... amazing secret strats... amazing scouting and predicting what people are going to do? I dunno.
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Post by pcups on Nov 16, 2006 12:56:44 GMT -4
scouting and micro are easy. I think its just they play so often they know everything that every civ can do.
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