OMG... Iroqious in Treaty!?!?

[boorules60]

Patrick brings up a good point, we might want to start a discussion on the Iroquois in treaty. Here's what I can come up with.

Advantages: The Iroquois have some real cool stuff in treaty as we saw when a few people played them in MI. Light Cannons rule... period. They are good against infantry, cannons, AND buildings, and have enough range to keep up with all the other good cannons. IMO they are the best cannon in the game because, oh yeah, they are three pop!!! You can constantly have an army of 30 of them. Very nice. Rams and mantlets are are kind cool too and are only 1 pop. Kenyas and Aennas got a bit of a boost too in the last patch. Toms, forest prowlers, and Musket Riders are all-around units too. They also have team medicine, team mills (I think), and fur trade.

Disadvantages: Like the other natives, they have no late game source of wood. This is especially crippling for the iros who rely heavily on toms, kenyas, and heavy cannons, three of their most important units. This is not as much of a problem in team treaty if you have allies to help you, but it's ok. Travois help a bit too. They also have major fire pit problems. The patch killed the firepit for non-WP units, and the iros really have to keep a bunch of vills on the firepit to keep up with the unit production. Not so good. Finally, they don't have the huge economy because of the lack of good eco cards. They're kinda fun though so give it a whirl!

This thread is for general discussion with them in treaty... probably team treaty since that's what we do.

[pcups]

Yea I would never use Iros in a single person treat. Kinda lame! But I think we can manage this. I believe I could use them if some conditions were met. 1: No other native on the team. It would be too hard to feed wood to both of them. 2: A good enough map! Self explanitory.

[pcups]

Well, you will be happy to know, I just did a 40 treat 1v1 vs a comp and here is what I came up with at the end of the treat.

25,000 food
15,000 wood
45,000 gold

Now, if those resources don't sound to good to you then get the fuck out!

Iros seem doable now. I had everything researched, every unit and every tech. They get their 20 peasant thing in age 5 giving them 119, I deleted 10 of those for more military. And this was just a 1v1 remember. I saved a lot of wood from only building 5 houses with peasants and the rest with travois.

I only had 9 shipments left two of which were the infinite cards (resources and natives).

Overall they seem quite the civ. I'm going to go try and find a team game on eso!

[boorules60]

I think we also can't forget their forward basing potential... FP's have battlefield construction right? They also can get infinite 1500 resources which I forgot about! That's almost as good as the Indians infinite 1300 wood. Also, we can't forget that their WC kicks ass and makes thier units have more HP off the final value I think. He just needs to stay alive. Very interesting! We should play them at the next LAN party. This weekend might be busy... what about the next weekend (14th and 15th I think) after Tim gets out of work?

[pcups]

Sounds good to me. I actually played a treaty game online with them and I did fairly well.

[boorules60]

The Iroquois have some real potential that we don't want to write off.

Cows. Since they don't have many other eco cards, you should send the cow cards as your first three cards in a treaty game and use your initial travois as a farm! Yeah, you can seriously crank some cows out at about 5 mins when you get the cards and the fattening shit. With a little bit of micro, you can HAUL to the third age and have so much food when you get there, that you can max out in 14:30-15... just as good as the Aztecs.

Only the fun does not stop there, if you continue to pop out cows (especially with an ally's help) and with your "free" farms for fattening, it is possible for the iros to have a better fur trade than the french! I'm not kidding. My second time ever playing them I traded and got 110K gold by myself!!! I had 50 people on wood the entire time and so had about 40-50K wood when the treaty broke too. Since the iro food eco rocks, I put 70 vills on food and none on gold! You eco can really rock!

Finally, we all know that the iro units suck ass, but since you can get a vill pop of 119, you can constantly have 25 people on the firepit without running out of resources. If you do the population dance, you can constantly have an army of over 100, and if you have really good micro, you can switch between pop dance to queue up units, fertility to get them built, and attack to make them kick some but. Also, they have many good one pop units like rams, mantlets, toms, and forest prowlers (which can stealth and forward build). If you don't run out of wood, the iro can be a real treaty force!

[pcups]

run out of wood

GG