Post by punkybruster on Feb 12, 2008 22:24:01 GMT -4
As is typical in ages, Josh loves something. The rest of us hate it. In this case it's hatamoto samurai. An army of 10 can wipe out an entire normal army or rape someone's entire base.
So what beats them?
Well they're HI, so the normal expectation is LI. But when the hatamoto can take down a wall in one volley, or worse yet, the japanese mortars take down the walls while the hatamoto rush in, the LI just don't kill fast enough. And when the hatamoto get in on a group of LI? DED in one hit. Cannons? Still not powerful enough. Hatamoto just have too much attack, area effect, seige, and HP.
But there's help, with today's new purple pill called ninja. Yes, fucking ninjas. I ran some tests with a normal encounter of 10 ninjas v 10 hatamoto. The results? 6 ninjas left at 1/4 hp.
I think the hatamoto must have some kind of penalty vs ninjas, because they just didn't die as fast as other infantry did.
Perhaps a combo is best. Ninjas tie up the hatamoto while LI or cannons blast from range. The hatamoto can't ignore the ninjas like they can other units, because ninjas have x10 vs hatamoto.
Ninjas are mercenaries, so I'm suggesting this for civs that have cards to spare (like the ottos), or maps where they're available in the saloon.
Spies don't work well, but I haven't tested the effects of agents or assassins. Perhaps they work as well.
So what beats them?
Well they're HI, so the normal expectation is LI. But when the hatamoto can take down a wall in one volley, or worse yet, the japanese mortars take down the walls while the hatamoto rush in, the LI just don't kill fast enough. And when the hatamoto get in on a group of LI? DED in one hit. Cannons? Still not powerful enough. Hatamoto just have too much attack, area effect, seige, and HP.
But there's help, with today's new purple pill called ninja. Yes, fucking ninjas. I ran some tests with a normal encounter of 10 ninjas v 10 hatamoto. The results? 6 ninjas left at 1/4 hp.
I think the hatamoto must have some kind of penalty vs ninjas, because they just didn't die as fast as other infantry did.
Perhaps a combo is best. Ninjas tie up the hatamoto while LI or cannons blast from range. The hatamoto can't ignore the ninjas like they can other units, because ninjas have x10 vs hatamoto.
Ninjas are mercenaries, so I'm suggesting this for civs that have cards to spare (like the ottos), or maps where they're available in the saloon.
Spies don't work well, but I haven't tested the effects of agents or assassins. Perhaps they work as well.
RRs and Wakinas + WC would basically fuck anything the Japanese could throw at the Souix. It would be kinda cool to combine the Soiux with someone like the Chinese or Indians who could support them economically along with the Russians for some unit production power!