New way of germanizing

[pcups]

I think I have found a strat that may put my germans on the right path. I need some more time to perfect it but this might be the light for germany, its ENTIRELY different than anything i have ever done.

Ok age up with the normal 8 peasants 5 settler wagons. Put all settler wagons on gold and put half of the villes on food and half on wood. Age up with the 400 wood politician.

Ive NEVER put any villes on gold when aging up, with any civ ever. So its kinda new to me. I usually end up with 800 gold when i reach the second age. I collect the wood and immediately send palpatine settlements (houses provide 30 pop) i then build a SALOON. I think ben had a thread on the ineffectiveness of the saloon. Not when you all of a sudden have 160 pop space open and 10 villes on gold.

Now, the pirates pretty much suck. But the outlaws are amazing. There is the card "dance hall" which reduces the pop of the saloon guys and allows you to build some other guys. I dont have it so i dont know how it works yet.

I continually build peasants with my food guys and then ship 3 settler wagons or 9 x bows depending on the situation.

This is the perfect counter to a rush. With the market upgrade i can have excess gold, even when building hte outlaws. And if they dont rush, all i do is send the 700 food shipment and go up to fortress.

This is really nice because it now finally gives me OPTIONS. Instead of purely rushing or purely FFing and i now can do both and react just as fast.

Oh and i added mercs back into my deck so you guys will be seeing more of them.

*Note: I have not tried this against an otto rush. Although i suspect it to be very effective. Janns get taken out by the outlaws+longbows and grenadiers are easily taken care of with uhlans. But who knows.

[boorules60]

Right, I accept that the outlaws are good for their cost, just not per pop. This strat would save you some wood for houses and shit, I just think that you might have a little trouble getting enough shipments to make it work. The outlaws don't give you tons of XP for building, and if you need the 2 set wagon, palpatine settlements, dance hall, 3 settler wagons or 9 x bows, whatever else you need in the second age (more food and gold)... and this is even way before the mercs ever show up. I just don't see how you can get the XP from 5 houses and a saloon and a few vills and outlaws when you are the germans and have the slowest shipment rate of anyone. And Ideally you would need all of this my 7 minutes when the rush hits you. I'm not doubting its effectiveness if you can pull it off, I just don't see where you are getting all the shipments with the slow Germans.

[pcups]

i have about 1100 gold by 6:10, 130 pop, a saloon, constant ville production and constant wood flow. All with a pretty centralized economy. Your right, the germans suck at getting shipments. Which is why this strat is flexible. if i know im getting rushed( i look for forward base and/or units) and i start building outlaws with all that fucking gold. And i dont run out, because i have 5 settler wagons slugging away at the mine. If they attack me, not only do i get exp from building units, but also from killing the opponent's.

If they opponent doesnt send attackers, i can either A. Switch half the gold miners to food and age up. While beefing my economy with either 3 settler wagons or 700 food/gold.

or B. Attack with the uhlans/outlaws. Its definitely hard to look at and call it a good strat but in game its the germans BEST option. When i find something better ill use it!

[punkybruster]

The saloon is cool because you can do light cav, light inf, and HI all age 2. The only thing that's missing is HC which the uhlans cover, and artillery which isnt necessary unless you want to take out his buildings. Basically it covers your bases until you age up to 3 to get the real units.

[pcups]

exactly, its not meant to beat every civ, just help me stop their rushes.

[boorules60]

Apparently that card also allows you to train Ronin too, and although they are expensive, do kick some serious ass in age 3. I've never seen anyone make use of it but it might be worth a try. HOw are you getting the cards you need too?

[pcups]

Check this game out, i actually beat an ottoman guy when he rushed me.
www.agecommunity.com/stats/GameStats.aspx?loc=en-US&GameID=d5a6f1a2-5776-403c-a7e1-e25f448bcd6b&sFlag=1&md=ZS_Supremacy

ok so the first card i send is 2 set wagons of course, when i age up depending on what my enemy does i either send 3 set wagons or palpatine settlements. I collect the 400 wood from aging build 2 houses and build a saloon. This couple with treasure hunting, building peasants and houses usually gets me another shipment pretty quickly. I then start pumping out guys from my saloon, weather they are attacking or not, because i get gold so fast i dont have to worry about it.

The ottoman guy couldnt touch me today because of my pistolaros or what ever and i was able to age up. I get my 4th shipment by hte time i age up or half way there. I can either send 700 food or wait to get skirms.

Now in this game we had some skirmishes which allowed me another shipment, which was dance hall. Dance hall allowed me to get something that he wasnt prepared for. lil' bombards. Not only did 2 bombards help me wipe out his jans and abuse guns, also his culverins and falconets. I also sent all 3 of my merc shipments.

The gold really is the key here, not the shipments.