End of the Strelet rush.

[pcups]

It seems that the strelet rush is becoming easier and easier to counter, at least when you are prepared for it. Such as building a stable (tim). The reason we didnt win the last time we got strelet/jan rushed was because none of us were prepared, I did have a stable yep, i did have 8 peasants on gold yep, but uhlans are 500 gold a pop, and we couldnt ammount a force fast enough when we saw the attack.

I suggest this for EVERYONE, build a stable in the 2nd age and have at least the 700 gold shipment in there, this even applies to those dirty ottomans. Strelets arent going to take down your stable anytime soon, especially if you put it in the back of your base. TC/minute/hussars will own the strelet rush.

AS for the jannisaries this puts more pressure on tim to become a second age fighter, i dont know how many banks you have by that time but some people say its good to have 3. That way the dutch can keep on slugging. You can have the best age 2 units (hussars and skirmies) So i think if bunker down and become age 2 fighters, I wouldnt even go fortress as german, maybe to get skirms but thats it, and only if things are looking for them.

Tim, in this situation i dont think you should worry about the 3rd age because ruyters wont be too hot in this situation.

But we CAN beat it guys, and we WILL!

[boorules60]

Ah yes, a stable is one of the great fears of the strelet force. However, thanks to the patch, that has become less of a neusence. Cavalry builds 10 seconds slower while my strelets have not lost their force. And if you have the good sense to put the 3 hussar card in your deck, my 5 cossacks break even with them and/or easily clean out the minutemen, especially if they have some good backup.

Now, my normal strelet rush has 23 strelets that his you at 6 m inutes... with reinforcements to come if the rush seems to be working. I costs me 250 wood for a stable, 475 resources for 10 more strelet, and one card for 13 strelets. That's 725 resources and a card. Now, if people want to counter me, it will cost them 200 wood for a stable, 300 resources for minutemen, one card for 3 hussars (or two towers) plus any addictional resources they need to counter the remainder, plus the resources that their pesants DON'T gather while they rest in the town center. If the players stupidly doesn't ring his bell, I have killed 6-7 peasants in the time it takes the minuteme/hussars to kill me. I figure, worst case scenario, we break even... but I'm still OK because it means I DIDN'T get rushed myself. the Russians are normally a turtle civ, so it's ok.

The other strelet rush (the "umtimate rush" I was talking about) comes a little later, with more strelets and 5 cossacks. That rush I would probably only do if I had an ally (like the Spanish or Ottomans) and comes at people in the kind of numbers me, Tim, and Patrick saw when we lost that one game online.

I LOVE rushing ottoman players, especially with strelets and/or grenadiers, but if the otto player is smart, he'll have some pesky albus guns waiting for me. THAT is the true killer of the strelet rush. 5 albus guns with maybe a little help from the TC or minutemen and kill all 23 strelets and still be left with a little bit.

I'm starting to think that D, Patrick, and I could kick some serious ass online early in the game. Silk Roads, 50 strelets, 5 cossacks, 15 grenadiers or 25 jans, 3 hussars, and 30 pikemen all make their way into someone's base at 7-7:30? Fuck. You guys doing anything tomorrow? I'm not anymore...

[pcups]

With the spanish ben, i will have 3 towers up before your strelets even get there and already have the 700 gold on the way. Then all i need is the food. Pit 50, strelets against 3 towers and a TC, it aint gonna happen. The only problem I have is when they bring grenadiers. Which isnt likely to happen with all those strelets.

[boorules60]

Ha ha, and only a silly Russian player would send his strelets into that mess! If you have no units to chase me down, I will go peasant hunting with my streltsies! Let's see how the 5 pikemen that you have guarding them hold up to my wrath!

[pcups]

thats where 600 and 700 food shipments come in.

[pcups]

and youre right only silly russians do such a thing

[boorules60]

Ha! I figure the longer I can hold you out of the Fort Age, the better off I am cuz I can build 3 pesants non-stop through any rush. Those damn lancers can be a real pain in the ass.

[pcups]

hahah ben we are Instant messaging. Yea it doesnt really slow me down, its actually faster to get the food shipment buts its more economicly sound if i get the 5 peasants